Sandy – If it was not nothing why did your boss cut off the radio show?
Jim – Because you threatened legal action against him.
Sandy – Well, you’re going on again on Sunday. So, I don’t know.
Jim – You can’t have it both ways Sandy,
Sandy- (interrupts) What are you talking about?
Jim – It’s disconcerting to me that you say I’m attacking you and yet you’re the one who’s kicked me off your friends list, you’re the one that blocked me on punished 4 protecting, you are the one who’s continually coming after me when you’re being told that I have nothing to do with it and that I’m watching this from the sidelines. And yet you still say that I’m responsible for attacking you. It’s not true.
Sandy – Because they have information that only you know. So explain that.
Jim – It’s not information that only I know. It’s information on Canlii, it’s information that’s out there in the Winnipeg Free Press.
Sandy – (raises voice) I’m not talking about shit like that. I’m not talking about stuff like that. (illegible as Jim starts talking over her)
Jim – You’re talking about the lawsuit? What are you talking about then? You’re talking about the lawsuit?
Sandy – I’m talking about – I’m talking about all the rest of the stuff. And I don’t really see-
Jim – (interrupts) what stuff? Tell me what stuff.
Sandy – I don’t really see where this conversation is going.
Jim – What stuff are you talking about Sandy?
Sandy – Why are we having this conversation. You are just wanting to fight and like I said I don’t want to fight.
Jim – It’s not a fight you’re telling me that I’m giving information and I’m asking what kind of information I’m giving and you can’t answer it.
Sandy – I can answer everything so don’t try to tell me-
You aren’t answering anything. And you just went into fight or flight mode. Which is indicative of lying.
Jim – Then tell me what information I’m giving.
Sandy – I’m not interested in fighting I told you –
Jim (interrupts) it’s not a fight at all, –
Sandy- (talking over him) it is a fight.
Jim – (continues) I’m asking you what information I am giving.
Sandy – Jim I don’t need to explain this to you. You darn well know that you are feeding how do you say that woman’s name?
Jim – L (redacted)
Actually, she made a bold statement, and does need to explain this to him. If he’s doing something she should know what he’s doing. The L redacted in this case is “that Williams girl”. I will continue to call her that, as there seems to be a lot of L’s involved in this shitshow.
Sandy – L(redacted (that Williams Girl) and M(redacted) stuff so.
Jim – What am I feeding them? What am I feeding them? What’s coming to you that I am feeding them? You tell me and I’ll tell you if I’m feeding it or not.
Sandy- Well –
Jim (interrupts) – Cuz I’m not.
Sandy – I don’t feel that this conversation is warranted at this point because you know, I didn’t even want to have this conversation.
Jim – I didn’t either.
Sandy – You didn’t. Well then why did you phone me?
Jim – I phoned you because you (illegible). L(redacted) told me – L said to me that you two need to work it out. Are you willing to talk to Sandy and I said L I can’t and I read your letter to L, the last paragraph that said if pardon me? (sandy had talked over him, and I couldn’t catch what she said either)
Sandy – She’s seen it before you did.
Jim – She said she didn’t whatever. So that last paragraph where you said don’t call me or I’ll have you charged with harassment. And I said I can’t I respect that. So I said to L if Sandy wants to talk to me have her send me a text message cuz I have to just do some things in my house to get ready for this call mentally cuz I’m dealing with all kinds of stuff like we all are and you sent me a text message. I-I-I can’t. I’m not initiating anything with you guys.
Sandy – Why are you asking –
Jim – (interrupts) – Now you’re accusing me of telling information to that Williams girl and M your names I’m asking you what information.
Sandy – There have been a lot of things-
Jim – Like what?
Sandy – And you know what –
Jim – (interrupts) Like what Sandy?
Sandy – (continuing) Jim I don’t really care.
Jim – If you don’t care then stop saying it. Now, tell me what the information is. You don’t throw out unsubstantiated claims.
Sandy – I don’t feel I need to owe you anything at this point.
She doesn’t need to owe him anything because now that he doesn’t believe her about her situation 100% without looking into it, his usefulness to her and her situation has run out.
Jim – That’s because it’s bullshit. So when I say come clean, come clean. (Sandy talking over him illegible) (redacted piece because of it’s related to the criminal case)
Jim – How many lawyers have you gone through?
Sandy – In uh the criminal court?
Jim – Whatever. Criminal Civil I don’t care.
Sandy – Um I had a few different family lawyers.
One day I will go more in depth on the habits of women that are alienators. But right now I will just say, that based on my experience, if a woman gets more than two lawyers in a family court battle, unless it’s for reasons such as the lawyer retiring or dying or moving positions etc., it’s likely because the first several lawyers didn’t agree with what they were saying and they didn’t like what the lawyer told them regarding your case.
Sandy – But uh criminal I only had that one and now I got a new one and I’m (redacted). You know all that. You are looking to Lorelei B who’s ex-husband was under investigation for being into child porn.
Lorelei’s husband is Mr. B in the Court papers. He was only under investigation for child porn because he offered to assist with the transition of the kids to the father and Sandy didn’t like that. You’ll see in the decision that Mr. B was completely exonerated in the judge’s eyes, in CFS’s eyes and in the police’s eyes. But Sandy doesn’t make accusations she can’t back up.
Jim – I’m reading the information from Canlii – I’m reading information-
Sandy – (interrupts) – Well there’s nothing on Canlii about a bunch of lawyers.
No. But there’s information on the Court Registry about a bunch of lawyers, and there’s information in the Free Press that you fired your criminal lawyer.
Jim – Well, I’m looking at all the adjournments in your case in the Manitoba Court Docket. Why are there so many adjournments? Why are we not dealing with this so you can get on with your life?
Sandy – Do you see that all the filings on the registry are from my ex-husband and not me?
She’s right. About 2/3’s of the filings are from the father. Because the mother had physical custody of the children and would not be reasonable to allow him to be an active and equal carer in the kids’ lives. If she had he would not have been filing things over and over.
Jim – A lot of them aren’t from him.
Sandy – Most of them are from him.
Jim – It’s you- it’s you prolonging this.
Sandy – No it’s not.
Yes it is. If you had agreed to his offer of shared custody, it would have been over a year and a half earlier.
Jim – The information that I’ve seen I see a lady who’s been investigated, a lady who’s been deemed by Child and Family Services to have unduly and inappropriately influenced her children, I see a lady who lost her kids.
Sandy – No it’s not
Jim – But that’s what the documents say against you. That’s what the experts say. That’s what the documents say.
Sandy – Well, it can change.
Jim – Well, where’s the proof of it being changed?
Sandy – Well why don’t you look at the appeal court one. It said there was no evidence that I coached the kids.
I’ve posted the Appeal Court decision. You can find it in several parts on this blog. It does not say what she thinks it said.
Jim – Well where can I find that? (she was talking over him so I’m unsure what he was responding to) Well I know you don’t but you’re telling me this information. So now it comes back to-
Sandy (yelling interrupting) I don’t know! It doesn’t mean anything! I don’t have to explain myself to you! Did you hear me start off the conversation telling you that they’re not giving my daughter to him? I was in court today. They’re not giving her to him. So before you start accusing me of things or thinking that I owe you anything I don’t. Why don’t you give me your daughters or your wife’s phone number and I’ll call them and see what they have to say about (I’ve redacted her vulgar accusation).
Jim – I would absolutely give it to you but I don’t have it.
Sandy – Well, give me her name and I’ll find her. I chose to believe you Jim. And you know what? I’m the only one on punished 4 protecting that believed you. The only one Jim.
Liars do this to get people on their side. I was the only one who believed you, so now you should just blindly believe me because of it. She’s bitter and vindictive and trying to use his own trials to get him back on her side. It’s disgusting and it’s sick.
Jim – Well you have a funny way of showing it by blocking me from Punished for Protecting, by shutting me down, by sending a letter to the owner of the radio station shutting my show down. You have a really funny way of showing it.
Sandy – Well, I think you have a funny way of showing things as well.
Jim – I’m not showing you anything! Sandy, what are you what are you-
Sandy (interrupts) – You were going to take me down on your radio show based on the things that you’ve read?
Well, most people trust things like court decisions and news reports over words out of a liar’s mouth….
Jim – I wasn’t going to take you down on anything Sandy I’m not taking you down on anything! It’s not about taking down anyone it’s about finding out the truth.
Sandy – And the truth has come out.
Jim – Oh it will come out. Trust me it will come out. And it is coming out. And you’re in a bit of a precarious situation here.
Sandy – No I’m not.
Jim – I- OK Then you’re a little delusional.
Sandy – Well I guess I’m just a little delusional then.
FINALLY SOMEONE HAS GOT HER TO ADMIT IT!
End of part 6.